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merwin10 Site Admin
Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 440 Location: Buzzards Bay, Massachusetts
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: More Prop calculations |
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First of all let me apologize for the length of this post before hand - I have been getting several emails in regard to prop calculations - Let me start by saying that there will be contrary views of these calculations depending on the source - I have collect these formulas from several sources to include ABYC and USCG! I happen to like Michigan Wheels type calculations based on EAR (expanded area ratios) for figuring correct prop diameters -
Our boat here is a 36 sports fish planning hull with 800 HP @ 4200 RPM coupled to a 2.59:1 transmission, the propeller shaft has two bearings and the boat is displacing 24,000 lbs., sound familiar -
First lets figure out the engine torque
Total HP @ RPM the formula uses a constant = 5252 times the HP divided by RPM
5252 x 800 / 4200 = 1000 lbs. of Engine Torque
How we need to figure out shaft HP and torque after the transmission losses
SHP = 0.97 x 800 = 776HP this is based on a 3% loss due to friction in the transmission
There are two shaft bearings derated at 1.5% per bearing
0.015 x 2 = 3% loss due to shaft bearings
Now we need to figure the shaft RPM
Engine Rpm / Transmission Ratio = Shaft RPM (SRPM)
4200 ERPM / 2.59 = 1622 SRPM
Propeller torque -
Back to the torque formula but this time it is at the propellers
5252 x 679SHP / 1699SRPM = 2099 lbs. of prop torque
Now how much power is required to push our test 24,000 lbs boat forward at 25 knots with a WOL (waterline overall length) of 34 feet
First what is the Speed to Length Ratio
25Knot / sqrt of 34 = 4.287:1
Power to Weight Ratio -
How many pounds of displacement does each HP need to push
24,000 / 776SHP = 31 pounds of displacement
Now we need to enter the EAR of the prop 120 for trawler 150 planning 190 for 50kts+ - 210 for racing we are going to use 150 as our EAR
Now figure the maximum speed given the EAR and the SHP
150 / sqrt of 31 = 27 knots
So we now know the set up so far exceeds the 25 knot desired speed
Now for the pitch calculation what we know is that the desired speed is 25 knots and the Shaft RPM WOT is 1622 RPM Since we want cruise speed which is about 80% of WOT or SRPM is 1622 x 0.8 = 1297SRPM @ 80% WOT
Next we need to get in common mode and since speed is in knots and rpm is in minutes we need to get on some common ground So how many feet per minute is 25 knots
25 x 101.3 = 2533 feet per minute
So how many feet must the prop push the boat to attain the desired speed
Desired Speed feet per minute / 80% SRPM = Feet per minute
2533 / 1297 = 1.95 feet per minute
What pitch prop would achieve the 1.95 feet per minute This is a theoretical number
Feet per minute * 12 inches = Tpitch
1.95 * 12 = 23.43 inches of theoretical pitch
Theoretical speed (Tspeed)
Tpitch x 80% Srpm = inches of forward movement per minute
23.43 x 1297 = 30388.71 then 30388.71 x 60 = 1823322.6 inches per hour then 1823322.6 / 72913.38 = 25.066 knots
Propeller Slip
Propeller slip changes for each boat and each propeller set on a boat No two are the same What we are looking for is a low number 10 to 20 % is reasonable we will be using slip at WOT speed, as you know slip is not a constant factor but it does become smaller the faster you go! This has to do with basic physics remember things in motion like to stay in motion hence things at rest what to rest! Hence you slip factor when you first engage your transmission is almost 100% because the boat is at rest and wants to stay there, so the propeller turns and slips thru the water while the boat starts to move!
SLIP -
(SOG/Tspeed) x 100 = % efficiency then 100 - % efficiency = slip
22 knots / 25.066 knots x100 = 87.97% efficient then 100 - 87.97% = 12.02 % Slip
Propeller Diameter
This is the tricky one as you need enough blade area to create thrust whilst keeping the blade tip speed down as not to cause cavitation Given a propeller turning at a given speed as you move away from the center the radius increases as does the distance at a point the blade will cavitate because of the speed it travels from the center Higher pitch propellers tend to cavitate sooner than lower pitch propellers The reason is the hydrofoil has more low pressure on the back of the blade Furthermore, cavitation occurs quicker in lighter water than in denser water so the calculation has to consider the specific gravity of the water medium This is determined by the hydrodynamic incidence law! Which is to complex to describe here
Tip speed can be visualized by this formula
PRPM x diameter / 336 Hence
1297 x 22 / 336 = 84.92 Tip MPH
One thing we do know is that tip speed decreases with diameter!
1297 x 20 / 336 = 77.20 Tip MPH
Hence by decreasing the diameter we decrease the tip speed thus reducing the possibility of propeller cavitation.
About the only other thing I can say about propeller diameter is if it fits try it you need to work with a great prop shop one that will let you try different propeller setups until you find the one that is right for your boat All the calculations in the world will not be able to describe your boat in actual running conditions. It is not possible to calculate everything that effects the propellers movement
Well I hope this LONG explanation is of some help
Mike - _________________ "Best part of Boating -- is the people you meet" |
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 34 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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So how many feet must the prop push the boat to attain the desired speed
Desired Speed feet per minute / 80% SRPM = Feet per minute
2533 / 1297 = 1.95 feet per minute
What pitch prop would achieve the 1.95 feet per minute This is a theoretical number
Feet per minute * 12 inches = Tpitch
1.95 * 12 = 23.43 inches of theoretical pitch
Mike,
I the above, "feet per minute" should read "feet per revolution".
Thanks for the great reference work. _________________ Dennis Sherod |
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